{"id":543,"date":"2025-10-10T23:03:40","date_gmt":"2025-10-10T21:03:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.familie-kleinman.nl\/brain\/?p=543"},"modified":"2025-10-10T23:05:23","modified_gmt":"2025-10-10T21:05:23","slug":"mass-surveillance-in-the-name-of-protection","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.familie-kleinman.nl\/brain\/index.php\/2025\/10\/10\/mass-surveillance-in-the-name-of-protection\/","title":{"rendered":"Mass Surveillance in the Name of Protection"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote><p>The cost of confusing data volume with intelligence<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"219\" data-end=\"421\">Once again, the EU is trying to push a bill that would allow scanning private communications for illegal content \u2014 all in the name of fighting terrorism and, of course, the golden ticket: child abuse.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"219\" data-end=\"421\">Don\u2019t get me wrong, child abuse is absolutely horrific. But this bill is <em data-start=\"496\" data-end=\"501\">not<\/em> the solution.<\/p>\n<p>Luckily, the bill was removed from the EU\u2019s agenda \u2014 but this axe is still hanging over all of us.<\/p>\n<h2>Not the solution<\/h2>\n<p>This bill simply doesn\u2019t work \u2014 and it will backfire in ways few people seem to understand. I already wrote about this before, in this <a href=\"https:\/\/www.familie-kleinman.nl\/brain\/index.php\/2025\/07\/22\/dear-uk-cabinet-criminals-dont-use-icloud\/\">article<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"124\" data-end=\"287\">Just imagine the EU wanting to scan <em data-start=\"160\" data-end=\"165\">all<\/em> of our private traffic. Let\u2019s put that into perspective \u2014 every message, every attachment, every emoji being scanned.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"289\" data-end=\"330\">Here are some numbers to frame that idea:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Whatsapp: 100 billion messages daily<\/li>\n<li>Signal: 2 billion messages daily ( assumption, no data found )<\/li>\n<li>Telegram: 20 billion messages daily<\/li>\n<li>Email: 376 billion messages daily<\/li>\n<li>SMS\/Text messages: 25 billion messages daily<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p data-start=\"173\" data-end=\"357\">Over <strong data-start=\"178\" data-end=\"202\">500 billion messages<\/strong> every single day. And let\u2019s assume each message \u2014 including emails \u2014 averages around <strong data-start=\"290\" data-end=\"298\">2 KB<\/strong> in size.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"173\" data-end=\"357\">That\u2019s <strong data-start=\"317\" data-end=\"355\">over one petabyte of data per day.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"173\" data-end=\"357\">To put that in perspective: that\u2019s about <strong data-start=\"400\" data-end=\"412\">1,000 TB<\/strong>, or roughly <strong data-start=\"425\" data-end=\"452\">50 hard drives of 20 TB<\/strong> \u2014 filled <em data-start=\"462\" data-end=\"473\">every day<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"173\" data-end=\"357\">How are we supposed to <strong data-start=\"209\" data-end=\"255\">scan 500 billion messages every single day<\/strong>? You\u2019d need some <em data-start=\"275\" data-end=\"284\">serious<\/em> hardware just to process that. And of course, they\u2019ll probably want to throw some AI or LLMs into the mix \u2014 which means even <strong data-start=\"412\" data-end=\"420\">more<\/strong> hardware.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"173\" data-end=\"357\">Then there\u2019s <strong data-start=\"446\" data-end=\"464\">data retention<\/strong>, <strong data-start=\"466\" data-end=\"477\">backups<\/strong>, redundancy, monitoring\u2026 the list goes on.<\/p>\n<p>I asked ChatGPT to come up with a rough estimate of what this kind of infrastructure would actually cost.<\/p>\n<table border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\">\n<colgroup width=\"166\"><\/colgroup>\n<colgroup span=\"2\" width=\"102\"><\/colgroup>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"center\" height=\"36\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;Component&quot;}\"><b><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">Component<\/span><\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;Unit \\\/ Basis&quot;}\"><b><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">Unit \/ Basis<\/span><\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;Rough estimate&quot;}\"><b><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">Rough estimate<\/span><\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"left\" height=\"53\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;Compute (\u224812,000 vCPUs)&quot;}\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">Compute (\u224812,000 vCPUs)<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;Cloud or on-prem&quot;}\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">Cloud or on-prem<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;~\u20ac5\u201310 million per year&quot;}\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">~\u20ac5\u201310 million per year<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"left\" height=\"70\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;GPU cluster (\u224810,000 \u00d7 NVIDIA A100\\\/H100)&quot;}\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">GPU cluster (\u224810,000 \u00d7 NVIDIA A100\/H100)<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;~\u20ac20 000 each&quot;}\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">~\u20ac20 000 each<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;~\u20ac200 million CAPEX&quot;}\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">~\u20ac200 million CAPEX<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"left\" height=\"36\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;Storage (\u224860 PB usable)&quot;}\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">Storage (\u224860 PB usable)<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;~\u20ac25 per TB + infra&quot;}\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">~\u20ac25 per TB + infra<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;~\u20ac1.5 million CAPEX&quot;}\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">~\u20ac1.5 million CAPEX<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"left\" height=\"53\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;Networking, power, cooling, ops &amp; security&quot;}\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">Networking, power, cooling, ops &amp; security<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;\u2014&quot;}\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">\u2014<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;~\u20ac20\u201330 million per year&quot;}\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">~\u20ac20\u201330 million per year<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"left\" height=\"104\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;Total&quot;}\"><b><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">Total<\/span><\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;&quot;}\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<td align=\"left\" data-sheets-value=\"{ &quot;1&quot;: 2, &quot;2&quot;: &quot;\u20ac250\u2013300 million in upfront cost, plus \u20ac40\u201350 million yearly operations&quot;}\"><b><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif;\">\u20ac250\u2013300 million in upfront cost, plus \u20ac40\u201350 million yearly operations<\/span><\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<h2>False positives<\/h2>\n<p data-start=\"162\" data-end=\"363\">And then there\u2019s the issue of <strong data-start=\"192\" data-end=\"211\">false positives<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"162\" data-end=\"363\">I send a perfectly innocent message that somehow gets flagged \u2014 what happens then?<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"162\" data-end=\"363\">Someone will have to review it. Which means\u2026 <strong data-start=\"345\" data-end=\"360\">more skilled investigators<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"162\" data-end=\"363\">And what would the false positive rate even be?<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"162\" data-end=\"363\">Even if it\u2019s as low as <strong data-start=\"438\" data-end=\"449\">0.0001%<\/strong>, that still means <strong data-start=\"468\" data-end=\"488\">500,000 messages<\/strong> flagged <em data-start=\"497\" data-end=\"506\">per day<\/em> \u2014 all false alarms.<\/p>\n<p>That is unworkable. Full stop.<\/p>\n<h2>Police force<\/h2>\n<p data-start=\"188\" data-end=\"397\">Now imagine that a criminal investigator in the Netherlands earns around <strong data-start=\"261\" data-end=\"279\">\u20ac70,000 a year<\/strong>. That means that with <strong data-start=\"304\" data-end=\"319\">\u20ac50 million<\/strong> in running costs, you could hire <strong data-start=\"353\" data-end=\"394\">over 700 highly skilled investigators<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"188\" data-end=\"397\">Not to mention, you\u2019d still need investigators to review all those false positives anyway.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"188\" data-end=\"397\">So, which is more productive?<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"188\" data-end=\"397\">Spending <strong data-start=\"534\" data-end=\"550\">\u20ac300 million<\/strong> on computer hardware \u2014 plus the same investigators chasing false alarms \u2014 or hiring <strong data-start=\"635\" data-end=\"656\">700 professionals<\/strong> who actually investigate the <em data-start=\"686\" data-end=\"698\">real thing<\/em>?<\/p>\n<h2>Plain sight<\/h2>\n<p>Then there\u2019s the simple option: hide your messages <strong data-start=\"180\" data-end=\"198\">in plain sight<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Take the 1st letter of the 1st word, the 2nd letter of the 2nd word, the 3rd of the 3rd, then the 2nd of the 4th, and so on \u2014 a tiny letter-position trick that turns an ordinary sentence into a courier pigeon. With tools like ChatGPT, generating perfectly natural-sounding cover text that encodes a short secret is ridiculously easy.<\/p>\n<p>It doesn\u2019t even matter how you encode it; even something as trivial as ROT13 would likely slip past any AI or LLM.<\/p>\n<h2>Bad actors<\/h2>\n<p data-start=\"214\" data-end=\"449\">Let me ask you a simple question \u2014 and I\u2019ve asked it before:<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"214\" data-end=\"449\">Do we really think bad actors would keep using all these backdoored platforms?<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"214\" data-end=\"449\"><strong data-start=\"358\" data-end=\"370\">Hell no.<\/strong> They\u2019d move to other channels, use real encryption, and vanish off the grid.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"214\" data-end=\"449\">So who is this bill actually aimed at?<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"214\" data-end=\"449\">Yes.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"214\" data-end=\"449\"><strong data-start=\"500\" data-end=\"507\">Us.<\/strong> Civilians. Journalists. Your kids. My kids.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"214\" data-end=\"449\">Me.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"214\" data-end=\"449\">You.<\/p>\n<p>And definitely not the hardened criminals, terrorists, or child abusers of this world.<\/p>\n<h2>Math<\/h2>\n<p data-start=\"177\" data-end=\"264\">And the most simple fact: encryption is based on math \u2014 almost <em data-start=\"240\" data-end=\"247\">basic<\/em> math, I\u2019d say.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"266\" data-end=\"299\">So\u2026 are we going to ban math now?<\/p>\n<h2 data-start=\"266\" data-end=\"299\">Conclusion<\/h2>\n<p data-start=\"224\" data-end=\"398\">This bill is a stupid idea \u2014 a can of worms we really don\u2019t want to open. It won\u2019t protect us from terrorists, and it certainly won\u2019t protect our children from predators.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"224\" data-end=\"398\">Instead, it will hurt <strong data-start=\"422\" data-end=\"435\">all of us<\/strong>, not the criminals it claims to target.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"224\" data-end=\"398\">You and I will become the <em data-start=\"504\" data-end=\"514\">suspects<\/em> when we accidentally end up in that pile of false positives.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"579\" data-end=\"607\">Good luck.<\/p>\n<p><strong data-start=\"31\" data-end=\"44\">Oenva bhg<\/strong> (ROT13)<\/p>\n<p>source: <a href=\"https:\/\/tweakers.net\/reviews\/13904\/chatcontrole-is-wederom-afgewend-maar-vast-niet-voor-de-laatste-keer.html\">https:\/\/tweakers.net\/reviews\/13904\/chatcontrole-is-wederom-afgewend-maar-vast-niet-voor-de-laatste-keer.html<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The cost of confusing data volume with intelligence Once again, the EU is trying to push a bill that would allow scanning private communications for illegal content \u2014 all in the name of fighting terrorism and, of course, the golden ticket: child abuse. 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